This is not your typical conversation between a doctor and a counselor. Learn a potentially different perspective on mental health issues. How to discern if there is demonic influence or oppression vs. generational curse, trauma, or it is a behavioral/mindset issue. There are many layers to a person and in their healing journey. When does the person need counseling and/or deliverance? Learn how Dr. Lara was led to do deliverance work on patients for deep root healing. Joining Dr. Lara is Christian Counselor, Brenda Cochran speaking on her approach to healing. You do not want to miss this conversation! We cover a lot of information! If you are seeking professional counseling help with an integrative approach including spiritual help, reach out to Brenda Cochran, at Zoe Integrated Health or call or text at 623-235-4645; to learn more about how Brenda can help you.
Episode 10 Transcript
Welcome to Physician Heal Thyself, the podcast empowering you to take a whole-person approach to your well-being, spirit, soul, and body. Join me your host, Dr. Ana Lara, a naturopathic, doctor, entrepreneur, and a servant of Jesus Christ. We are not just a body, we are spirit and soul. It’s time to integrate medicine and spirituality into our healing. Let’s get started.
Hi everyone. Welcome back to Physician Heal by Self, the podcast. I’m Dr. Anna Lara. And today we’re going to go over episode 10 and we’re going to continue our conversation with Christian counselor Brenda Cochran. Now if you haven’t seen episode nine, you want to go back and check that out because we talked about ways of healing through trauma. But Ms. Brenda introduced a new term to me instead of referring to trauma. It’s balancing and healing the nervous system. So I like that today’s conversation we’re going to bring on Brenda. And today’s conversation is going to be still mental health, but it’s discerning. How do we know if it’s a mental health issue, if it’s a demonic influence, oppression that’s going on. Is it generational sin, or generational curses? And I know this is probably not a topic that most naturopathic doctors are having, but we are. And here we are. Welcome back, Brenda.
Thank you so much. I’m so glad to be talking about such a fun topic
That just brings up all kinds of wonderful things,
Right? I’m going to tell you, I did not go to medical school. This is my disclosure. I did not go to medical school and God trained me for deliverance work. Not at all, but God. But God will use whoever is willing and obedient. And so I really became interested maybe two years into my practice, Brenda, I became very interested in helping people heal through their trauma or through their nervous system. Because I would come in and I always interview people and ask them questions on all areas of their life. What was your childhood like? Tell me about yourself and not just what are you eating and symptoms. I don’t want to just know the symptoms, I want to know it all. So it’s a very in-depth process that I take. But what I started to notice, Brenda, is that I started to see this big correlation, huge.
It was a big red flag. It was like God was highlighting this in every person, and that was that the symptoms they were having, the root cause of the disease was something much deeper. So I really focused, and that’s why I named my practice Raices, which means roots in Spanish, is I wanted to find the root cause of their dysfunction of disease. And so I was seeing that it all really started from that trauma, that abuse those experiences that hurt them. And so what happened is God started to really bring more and more women and men, not just women, but men who started to share about the sexual abuse they experienced when they were young or growing up. And once again, alert, this might be a sensitive topic. Don’t run away from it. Let’s have the conversation, take it in bite-size pieces of what you can handle, but listen to the whole conversation because there may be a solution or bring a piece of the puzzle to help you in your healing.
So I started to hear the stories of men and women of sexual abuse. And it was big. It was big stuff. And I kept praying and meditating to God, God help me. How do I help your people? And as time went by, I really just in the past year and a half started to see this deliverance work happen. Like I said, I didn’t learn it. It was kind of an experiential, I could feel the presence of the Holy Spirit in my sessions when I was doing cranial sacral work with people. It wasn’t just the person who wasn’t just releasing emotions now, it was something else I started to see and feel and sense and I could hear the voice of the Lord guiding me on what to do. And because I didn’t learn this, I was completely surrendered to God, use me. I don’t know what to do.
And I started to see things unfold before me and realize, oh, that was a demon. That was demonic oppression. And then the aftermath of the way the person looked now was not the same person that walked in the door. And I didn’t even know the word deliverance. It was not until I shared these stories with a good friend who does do deliverance, she said that was deliverance. So Brenda, let’s hone in on this conversation. You have experience with this. What is your experience with when it comes to the mental health part and is there a need for deliverance versus counseling?
Oh my gosh. Well, since this is a spiritual body, whole person, you and I are very like-minded, we’re still going to go through that whole person lens, right? So sometimes we say it’s either one-third or another. And it’s hard sometimes for people to look at the whole person like everything, the physical self, the mind, the spiritual world. And that’s one area that opens up a whole can of worms is the spiritual world. It has to be brought in simply because my belief, my Christian belief, is that we are a spirit that possesses a soul that lives in a body that has to navigate a fallen world where evil exists. So we are a spiritual self. When we have the Holy Spirit inside of us, we connect to God through our spirit. The Holy Spirit in us communicates in our soul. We have our mind roll and emotions, and then we have our body. So for me, I can’t think of anybody any other way than in behavioral health. We call it dual awareness, meaning we have to have an awareness about more than one thing. When we’re working with somebody, we have to tune into what we know, our experience, personal experience, how we’ve been educated, and also the spirit realm. We have to do multiple. We have to do multiple things at the same time when we’re working with somebody because we don’t want to land in just one lane because we might miss something over here.
Good, good stuff. I feel the same way. Has your experience been that it’s all organic? It’s not a cookie-cutter approach to everyone. I’ve had people first visit and Holy Spirit is showing me they need deliverance. I’m not going to worry about doing blood work and putting in on some herbs for their nervous system. I’m going to take him into my next room and we’re going to help the nervous system calm down and do deliverance. So God has used this therapy unique with me and I love it because cranial sacral therapy is not meant to do deliverance work, but what it is intended to do is to help regulate a person’s nervous system. It completely slows the nervous system to be in that parasympathetic state where they’re resting. And I think that’s what allows people to put their guard down once they feel safe. I create an environment that’s safe and comfortable, light music.
I have my essential oils running and it’s just quiet and peaceful, and I do initiate with prayer. I would initiate with prayer within my soul first, within my spirit because I am in a medical clinic. And I was like, I’m not sure if they’re going to be open to me praying out loud. So that’s how I started. And once I knew that the body was calm and they look like they were asleep, but they were not, they’re kind of in that InBetween asleep and awake state. And that’s when I would see that the physical body, there was movement in the body that was not normal and they were not self-aware that this was happening. And that’s when Holy Spirit starts to show me. There’s either I see images sometimes. Sometimes it’s not that comes sometimes it’s God’s voice. Sometimes it’s not God’s voice. Sometimes it’s what I feel.
It’s interesting. In our last conversation, we talked about the feeling, the sensations. God gave us these feelings and sensations for a reason. It works with our nervous system to let us know what’s out here. I say they’re like antennas, right? They let us know what’s going on. And so I would feel and pick up and know that they needed, there was a deliverance needed. So there was a situation where this individual was the first time in my office and Brenda, I felt like there were 20 people in this person talking to me, and it was very distracting to my mind. And I heard the voice of Holy Spirit say, God, tell me to guard my mind. And immediately what I did is I stopped listening to that person because it was too much going on and told me what to do next. I went and did the session.
And what I have seen with deliverance, because I am hands-on and praying over them at some point after initiating the cranial work, is that there’s either more than one demon or they’re moving around in the person. Because people would tell me, I feel something here, but then it would be in the abdomen and I would just move around in the body until it was released. It was not emotions. Sometimes the people were not in their character. Their voice would change. There’s a blank stare in their eyes. There were a couple of times I’ve been cursed at and I know it wasn’t the person. It was like something possessed them, it they weren’t themselves. What has been your experience with all of that that I just shared?
Okay, here we go. Let’s go. I’m going to give you some new information that I think is important when we talk about deliverance in the demonic as well as, it’s one of the reasons I went back to school to go in and get my counseling education because my first healing process was inner healing and deliverance. I could not afford therapy. I was having spiritual manifestations. I got heavily involved in the charismatic movement and everything was, it was way lopsided on one side. And I needed healing from my healing almost because I had so much happen to me that didn’t make sense, that I didn’t understand that I had to go back and get more education to figure out what was wrong with me. So I come from both schools of thought and I’m going to date myself, but I’ve been doing this a very, very long time and I’ve seen a lot of stuff.
So spiritual oppression is real. And I don’t know if we want to get into the theological debate, but I was a spirit-field Christian. I was speaking in tongues, but the previous part of my life, I got involved in the occult. And on my father’s side of the family, there’s occult history. So I had a lot of spiritual oppression that was addressed first. And the why that happened first, I don’t know, but there’s always the debate. Can a Christian have a demon can all this kind of stuff. And you can get so wrapped up in the theology of what a demon is. How does it manifest itself? Who gets ’em? Who doesn’t get ’em? I’ve learned over the years that it doesn’t matter if you are oppressed or if there’s a spiritual thing, just clean house, who cares where it comes from? Who cares? We have all authority and power over the darkness, and I think there are a lot of people out there, Christians who don’t believe that.
They believe that the demonic world is more powerful than the power that we have inside of us. And I had to learn that lesson the hard way. I got so wrapped up that the demons and my behaviors were so critical of whether I was going to get another one, that I had no power, no authority, and I almost lost my mind because of the dark world, I was taught that it was so much more powerful than me. Once I got my theology and I realized I had all the authority, God gave it to me. Satan has been defeated. Quit looking at the dark sign and get free. Then I learned about this whole other part about trauma, that the brain fractures, the brain can fracture itself off and we can adapt ourselves into different personas. That is a survival mechanism, and there are varying degrees of that.
So when I look at somebody, I keep wanting to talk about clients, but I think I’m going to refrain from that just because they’re so active and I want to really, really want to protect their privacy. But a brain can fracture into different parts of self, and inside of those fractured parts of herself can be spiritual oppression. Now, I wish that I could see in the spirit realm so I could just start sorting things out. That’s part of her trauma because people can actually, when you work on traumatic memories with a 50-year-old woman, they can actually feel like a child when that memory is being processed or reprocessed and integrated into their present. They have different aspects of themselves that come out that might sound like a different person, that might have different quirks or different characteristics, like more of a protector part of themselves.
And then we have these more exiled parts of ourselves that contain a lot of the pain. And what I learned looking back in all the inner healing and deliverance is a lot of the people that were praying didn’t know how to discern between, which was part of the psyche and which was part of spiritual oppression. So I think that is a really important piece because, for anybody listening out there, you might start feeling afraid like, oh my gosh, I did drugs. Oh my gosh, I was involved in the occult. Oh my gosh. We automatically assume that if you did drugs, you have a demon. If you were involved in the cult, you have a demon. I wish I could see in the spirit realm to know what, but we just don’t know. And I don’t know, I’m not going to say there’s, you definitely have a lot more discernment than I do as far as seeing things in the spirit realm.
But why not clean the entire house? Let’s just clean it all up and repent and restore and heal and be delivered and go to healing prayer and just get cleaned up. Doesn’t matter the why, doesn’t matter how things got there, but just keep more of a broader sweep of I want to be free. I want to be healed. I don’t care. I’m not going to overanalyze it. We tend to overanalyze it in fear. I cannot tell you how many times fear grips somebody. Whenever we talk about the demonic world, all of a sudden they’re afraid.
And Why are we afraid?
Exactly. It’s ignorance because we don’t know our power and authority in our Lord. I am not afraid of the demonic. I almost find it comical. I joke around and say, these demons are like little roaches. The moment the light, the Holy Spirit light comes into that person, they’re out. They’re cowards. They have no power and authority. And I think when people really understand that at the soul level, there is no fear to, there is no fear against this. I call them roaches because they run away from the Lord. And you call the name of Jesus and they bow down, and if you call on the blood of Jesus, they cower down, they leave. And so I think it’s important for me that people find their voice, and not just their voice for themselves, but the voice that God has put in them, that we don’t have power and authority on our own.
But when you have a relationship with Christ, your power and authority comes from the Lord and nothing, nothing will hold you back because he’s protecting us and we’re working through him. This comes through a relationship with him, not just anyone randomly saying Jesus, and this demon’s going to leave. I think there’s a lot of walking closely with him and being obedient to him. I always say that what I know is not because of what I know, it’s because of what he’s done through me. And there’s still a lot of things. I really dunno. I’m a baby in this Brenda, but the things that God has shown me and had me work with, it’s been really amazing. And that’s why I believe that God will use anyone who is willing and who’s obedient to him. Just like a soldier. If you’re willing to sign yourself up for the military and you’re going to be obedient to the command of the Lord, he will use you in any way. So yeah. That’s very interesting, man. Wow. I am at a loss of words of everything that you were saying.
I kind of threw you a curveball there. I know,
And in a good way, because I do work with a lot of Christian individuals, and you’re right, I think there are different perspectives and ideas. I don’t really care to know where it came from. Like you said, let’s clean the house. It’s free of that. Let’s let the Lord come in and clean the house and then work from there. What I do see is when there is deliverance that needed to happen, it allows for a much clearer and cleaner slate to start with because now this person is able to speak and articulate themselves much different and now heal through those other things. It is like the process is expedited because you don’t have that noise. And so, yeah, I don’t think that everyone, perfect world. In a perfect world, I don’t believe that everyone has a demon because they’ve done bad stuff. No. And I have seen people who think they have a demon.
And what I find now, it’s emotional. It’s emotional stuff. And some of it is behavioral. If you want to keep yourself as a victim, you will create every problem you have every problem in the world if you make yourself a victim. So sometimes it is mindset and behavioral, not so much demonic. Right? Not even physiology. It’s just now behavioral stuff that you’re having to work with when it comes to deliverance. I know there is not a one-way approach to that, but in your experience when you were doing deliverance, do you still do some of that or is it something you just did in the past?
I will if I have to. If I’m doing a whole person trauma group that’s Christian-based and something comes up, it gets dealt with right then, but I don’t solely do healing prayer sessions or anything like that. Okay. Yeah. But I did a lot in the nineties.
In the nineties. How do You approach it?
Well, back then, I think we know a lot more now than we did back then. The church that I was a part of, we had a healing prayer day every Wednesday and anybody could come. And we went through some training and we learned as we went and we laid hands and we started praying in the spirit, and we asked them, what do they want prayer for? And it was really just pretty much spirit-led and simple. And I know there’s a lot more training out there now and models that you can actually incorporate into churches that’s very specific where you have a team of intercessors, you have a process of how they come through, which I’m a super fan of that we should always have some kind of an intake assessment process before they come into prayer. One of my biggest, I’m going to say pets, is praying for somebody too long when they’re screaming and crying.
That was probably one of the biggest things I see, and I still hear about it today with my clients, is they’ll be going into deliverance prayer and a team will be praying over them for so long and they’ll cry for so long and they’re just exhausted. And it’s really not putting that person first. They’re forcing something to happen without a little bit more information. And then they land in my office going, oh my gosh, I’m exhausted. Nothing happened, nothing changed. And then you find out that there were parts of themselves that were so traumatized by so many people closing in on them and not being trauma-informed or trauma-sensitive, and they just have this reaction. But the people praying for them think it’s a demonic manifestation because they’re behaving in a certain way and they leave exhausted.
Yeah. That exhaustion is, it’s a real thing. And this is why I, especially if there is trauma involved, I believe that it’s, you got to help the physical body to be able to withhold that much processing. So I always explain, we work at an onion, we peel back layers, we work on the physical body, and make sure that this physical structure, it’s durable to be able to handle the emotions. One of the things that our audience should know is that our emotions deplete us, our strong emotional response, it takes up a lot of energy and it will make you feel exhausted. Emotional stress to me, it’ll deplete me energy wise. I can go work out, I can go work physically, and that gives me life and energy, but an emotional response will put me to sleep right afterward. I just need to rest. And this is true for many people.
It’s our emotions, strong emotional responses that we have will use up more energy in our physical body. And in our brains especially. We have a fun science fact here. Mitochondria are little battery cells in every organ, every system that produces energy to give those organs energy. We have hundreds in a muscle in our heart, we have thousands because the heart is always beating, so it’s always working fast. But our brain and our nervous system, there are billions of mitochondria. So just imagine how much energy the brain and the nervous system have to use when you’re processing emotional things. This is why we get depleted. And so I am glad you touched on that because yeah, how do you know this person needs deliverance and really what they need is a counselor? And just stop. This is why I don’t initiate it. Me, my brain does not say, oh, this person needs deliverance.
I truly allow Holy Spirit to dictate that to me because it’s easier. It is easier for me. I don’t have to decide. God decides it for me. And I think that’s where I have really, really honed in on telling people your relationship with God is the most important relationship that you can have and the most powerful. And when you start to hear the voice of God, he will guide you in every step of the way. There’s no petty thing that he’ll guide you if he tells you, eat that, don’t eat that. Walk away from that relationship, whatever it is, he will guide you in every step of your life. And that is the great physician right there. And I think as practitioners or people doing deliverance, they need to really pay attention to what that person needs and know when it can be uncomfortable and dangerous. I think I will say, this is just my opinion, and I could be completely wrong, but I’m not a fan of doing deliverance in public.
I know that in the Bible, Jesus did this, but that’s Jesus. That’s not me. I’m Anna, right? I’m not Jesus. And what I have witnessed through working with people is that it’s such a sacred and precious time that God is coming in to free this person and heal them, that I can’t see that happening in public and maintain the respect, honor, integrity of this person. If we really want to work with people and they feel safe, I can’t see how that can help. And even at an altered church, that’s just my opinion, and I got it. I’m like, this is why they call it deliverance. Because what God is doing in that person through that session in that time is that they’re giving birth to a new person. They’re being freed of whatever was holding them back, and they’re a new person there. And so I wouldn’t give birth in front of a church.
I wouldn’t give birth in public. Why would I do that? I wouldn’t. And I think people who’ve gone through a lot of trauma feel very unsafe about doing that publicly. Let’s face it, like you said in our last conversation, people, pastors, people in churches we’re all human, and we don’t have control of what the person next to me or the church is going to see if someone’s being delivered there. I dunno. To me, like I said, it’s very sacred. It’s a very intimate experience that God has with these individuals. I don’t care to do a show and tell. It’s really about that person being freed and having a deeper connection with God. Because some of the people that come to me already have a relationship with God, but they feel like there’s something, they’re running in circles. There’s something that’s just holding them back and they don’t know what it is.
And I never want anyone, even someone listening to this conversation, it doesn’t make you a bad person because we know that. And this is what I’ve learned, of course, I went back and I started reading books and educating myself and learning from pastors who are talking about this publicly is how do demons enter a person? How do they start influencing them? And when there are areas of weakness and hurt and pain, especially in children, they start to influence and make their way in that way. What’s been your knowledge and understanding of how a demon makes its way into a person’s life?
Well, I wished I had a lens into the spirit realm, but I don’t, I can just tell you some. My kind of caveat before, my disclaimer is I don’t think we should ever put anything in a box. This is not black and white. This is not five easy steps to freedom. If I renounce this, I will be free. If I do this, I will be free. We don’t know. I don’t know. But I know my own experience and I know what I’ve seen, and it can be generational, meaning in my family, I had generational occult stuff coming through on my father’s side, and sometimes we call ’em familiar spirits. The spirit world is outside of time. It’s outside of time. So any beings in the spirit realm can see all kinds of things, enough generational line. So if there’s a pattern of alcoholism, if there’s a pattern of adult or witchcraft or something, these demonic can just familiar spirits can just follow a family down.
So then you can just, I mean that’s like, oh my gosh, we can’t win. We, I don’t have a choice. I was getting this thing. And that’s where I like to just, let’s just stay away from that because then we start going, oh my gosh, I’m poisoned. I’m dirty. We immediately get taken out of our faith of our authority and who we are in Christ. It’s like the brain and Satan just wants to completely lie to us that you are trapped, you are helpless, you are dirty. There’s something wrong with you instead of leaning into the spiritual authority. So there’s that school of thought. And then just in my work in the psychiatric hospital, for example, methamphetamines, there’s certain drug chemicals. When people would come in and I assess them for detox or whatever, there’s something about methamphetamine when they take methamphetamines. The stories that people would tell me were the same almost every single time They were transported into the spirit realm while they were high.
And they saw demonic forces. So if I know somebody has taken methamphetamines, I’m not going to do a black and white statement like, oh, well, because you use methamphetamines, you have a demon that the danger, that’s that. Stay away from that. But I’m wondering, and I’m looking very carefully for spiritual oppression, any kind of occult thing there. Now, the biggest one I’m going to talk about, because 50% of my caseload right now are women whose husbands are addicted to pornography or they have a sexual addiction. And I will tell you that what I sense in the spirit realm is there is a strong, strong sexual spirit that is in these marriages through an open door of constantly looking at pornography, violating women. And if I ever wrote a book, the name of it would be Satan’s Rape of the Church, because the defiling of women that I believe is directly linked to Satan and destroying the church because got Christ is coming, got back for his pure spotless bride, the church and the marriages, the Christian marriages that are being destroyed by pornography and sexual perversion.
So many Christian women have completely become desensitized to all kinds of sexual things because of the internet, the media, there’s a lack of intimacy in marriages from, it’s in our younger generations, the twenties, the thirties, and up to the forties, maybe up to the fifties. But there’s just an inability to have intimacy, like a common connection between a man and a woman. Everything is in the cyber world. So I think there’s a spiritual thing around that. If I could just get every person that’s ever dabbled in spiritual sexual perversion of any kind, I would want to get them to healing prayer because there’s something that is sick and dark and evil that is so prominent in that, I don’t know. It’s an epidemic right now in Christian marriages. This is an epidemic, and I believe it’s evil and it needs deliverance. I mean, I think marriages need to be delivered from this along with other important recovery and healing and that type of thing. I’ll leave it at that and let you jump in.
Wow. No, that’s great. My, I’m just like, well write that book. You should write that book. Yeah, because I don’t know of anyone who would be a better person than to put that book together out there. And I know that a lot of, especially if you’re Christian, I mean it’s happening in the secular world, but in the Christian community, if this is happening, I can just imagine the shame and guilt that they still carry amongst other things that it brings into. And I’ve even read about cases where when someone in the family opens the door to that, how it brings in spiritual downfalls for their children that are in that same household. So we really need to think about the decisions that we make and how it’s going to influence our children and every generation. But I agree that that is a problem I continuously hear a lot about just in general, not even just in the Christian Church, it’s just in general, but we know that marriage, it is a sacred relationship, and it’s like people’s moral compass has been out the door, media has been great. However, it’s also, it’s easy access for any information, for lacks good information. I want to share, I started reading this book, I’m Not done, I’m halfway done, but it’s called The Secrets to Generational Curses. Have you heard of this by Alexander Paani? I’m going to have to get him on the show.
Oh, I Know who he is. Yeah, I follow him on social media.
Me too. And that’s how I learned about his book, the Secrets to Generational Curses. I am a real fan of how he lays everything out, and it is backed up by scripture. I’m not going to go over the whole book, but what I like is how he explains the heavenly courts and the courts on earth. And he says that when it’s a generational curse, it’s not a demonic influence. You cannot get rid of a generational curse through just prayer and doing deliverance. It has to be a different way of interceding. You have to take it to the courts of heaven. And so he says, because if it’s a generational thing, the price needs to be paid. And so we need to just like if you were to take a case to court and appeal it, you have to do that. And it’s a process, but he lays the foundation of how to and start to acknowledge it.
And I’ll tell you, I have gone through the book halfway and so far I’ve been able to identify the things in my family of being of Mexican descent. If you look at the generations, usually three, four generations back, you’re impacted. But I come from a culture where, and some people might get upset if they hear this, but it’s the truth. It’s not for me. I’m not going to justify something that’s wrong and make it good so I can be comfortable with it. But culturally, indigenous people worship idols, and that’s not what God wants for us to worship the sun or other things in the earth. And so there were a lot of ceremonial things that were done that were not godly through the European side. There were different things as well that have an influence on my life. But when I look back generationally wise, there’s a huge influence of Catholicism in Mexico as a country and just culturally.
So there’s a lot of those statues in the Virgin Mary and all of these things that people worship and they are idols, and God doesn’t want that for us. So it’s even breaking those little cultural things that are there and asking, God, take my case and forgive me and forgive my forefathers for how we have offended you. And I mean, you start to see patterns in your life. We all know the patterns in our families, whether you want to turn blind eye to it, but the patterns are there. It’s a great book. Like I said, I’m not done with it, but I know that that is a next level thing for me. It’s understanding how do you break generational curses because it’s different from deliverance, very different. What’s your take on that?
Well, when we talk again about looking at all perspectives of a curse, you and I have had conversations about epigenetics. And so now we know that there’s a gene that rests upon the DNA code that gets passed down from generation to generation. And then we also know that we can change that and create a new legacy with our DNA. Who would ever thought that you could alter DNA through this epigenetic concept? The other thing that from a mental health point of view is we call it generational curses, but then in the secular world, we call it historical trauma, especially in the African-American community. We talk about patterns that have been handed down generationally, traumatic things from Africa to the United States. And I have some African-American friends, clinicians who have really shown me clearly these generational curses that have come through the African-American line that keep this group of people oppressed in a multitude of ways.
And the book, I actually would like to read that book because I started learning about generational curses way back with my healing, and I started renouncing and really separating myself from all these influences that my forefathers carried down, so I got rid of the contamination. But then the really cool thing about when generational curses are lifted is you see all the positive things that your culture brought down with you. My grandparents that carried all this occult stuff, they were immigrants from Norway. They broke sod and they’re pioneers, and I have that same pioneer spirit on me of breaking ground in the church, of going on the outside and breaking up the ground of the old couch that needs to get out and speaking things that the church doesn’t want, like breaking new ground and building and planting new things so you can have this negative stuff come through. But then when you clean all that up and you got, oh my gosh, there’s all these incredible, I work with so many Hispanic women that have story upon story upon story of immigration and work ethic and family, and I just get chills thinking about it because there are so many strengths in this culture that generationally comes down to that we’re losing the sense of family and a strong work ethic. And you hear the stories of all these women I work with, it blows my mind, so I’ll throw that
Positive spin in there. God created us for good, and of course, the enemy’s going to come in and destroy that, and that’s what’s happened through generations. It’s destroying people. But once you heal and you truly come to forgiveness in breaking these curses generational-wise, then like you said, you start to see the strength in the family lineage. You start to see the good qualities come through, and only God can do that in her life. As much as I like my natural medicine that will never touch the spiritual realm. And that’s what I want people to take away from our conversations is that there is a time and place for everything. Certain things need to happen for physical healing. There’s certain things that need to happen for the mental healing, emotional healing, and then the spiritual part. We can’t leave that out. So I’m excited to partner up with individuals like yourself who see that that whole person, because we are spirit, soul, and body, and until we need to take the owner, I truly believe, Brenda, that there’s a group of people on Earth, right?
A large group of people right now, they’re in their thirties, sorry, maybe their thirties, but forties and fifties, that they are the generational curse breakers in their family lineage. And I just want to say, if this speaks to you, start leaning in and start letting God guide you. Get the resources and tools because you are not just breaking that bondage for yourself and your family line, but the children of your future generation that you will never get to meet, but you’re doing it for them because we are tired of being slaves and being in bondage, whether it’s spiritual or your mind, and I think this is where God is like, get it done now. Don’t wait. Get it done now. The healing needs to happen. Be empowered. Get rid of the shame. Get rid of the fear and the guilt and all of that, and start finding the help that you need.
If you feel you can’t do it on your own, then find someone who can guide you through it, but get the help. Hey, we’re going to wrap up this episode. I feel like we can speak for hours, Brenda, maybe in the future I’ll bring you back again. But I just want to say thank you so much for making time out of your busy schedule to host these two episodes. I love you and appreciate everything you’re doing, and I pray that God will bless you tenfold for the work that you’re doing, because what you’re doing is you’re freeing people so they can be in his kingdom and bringing peace on earth as well. So thank you so much, my dear friend. Stay blessed. You’re welcome. Thank you. Hey, everyone, I am grateful that you guys are listening into this episode. If you really need help in this area, feel free to reach out to Brenda.
We’re going to provide those links for you or information for you to access today. We’re going to skip out on our segment, but stay tuned for our next episode because we’re going to start talking about some disease states and how you can cure yourself naturally. I have a couple of great naturopathic doctors who will be joining me. So as always, everyone stay blessed. Thank you for listening to Physician Heal Thyself, the podcast. If you like what you’ve heard, please like, share and subscribe, help this message, reach more people who may need to hear it. Leave your comments. I want to know what you think. If you’re interested in learning more about Raices, visit our website. Until next time, be blessed.