Join the conversation with Dr. Lara and Jacinda Garner from Soul Prompt to learn more about getting real with your emotions in a healthy balanced way. Emotions can be big, loud, and overwhelming during stressful situations; and learning to heal and be able to feel and express emotions in a healthy manner creates healthy relationships with others. Emotions are signals of something going on inside and outside of yourself. You don’t want to miss this conversation on emotional health and wellness. Learn some ways how to regulate and process emotions. This is a two-part series. For more information on how to work with Jacinda Garner from Soul Prompt visit her website.
Episode 19 Transcript
Welcome to Physician Heal Thyself, the podcast empowering you to take a whole person approach to your wellbeing, spirit, soul, and body. Join me your host, Dr. Ana Lara, naturopathic, doctor, entrepreneur, and a servant of Jesus Christ. We are not just a body, we are spirit and soul. It’s time to integrate medicine and spirituality into our healing. Let’s get started. Hey, welcome back to Physician Heal Thyself, the podcast. I’m your host, Dr. Alara, and today I have a very special guest. She’s a friend, a sister in Christ, and we’re going to talk about an amazing conversation on emotions on emotional health. So help me welcome Jacinda Gardner. She is the founder and creator of Soul Prompt. Welcome.
Thank you, Dr. Ana, for having me here. It’s like being with a friend. We talk on the phone all the time.
Yeah, that’s exactly what I want this to be. I want this to be a conversation just like all of my guests I bring on. We always have good conversations away from a mic and a camera. No different than that, right?
That’s right. That’s right.
So we have been talking for quite a bit about having a conversation and what did you want to really share with our audience? This podcast is dedicated to addressing not just the physical health of a person, but the mental health, the emotional health, and the spiritual health. We are all of these things. We don’t work in isolation. Right?
That’s right.
So share a little bit about yourself and what led you to start Soul Prompt.
So Soul Prompt. So let me start. I am a middle-aged mom of two teenage boys. I have a 15-year-old and a 12-year-old and maybe eight or nine years ago I went through a divorce and that experience really taught me a lot. The Lord spoke to me in so many ways. I grew up in a Christian home. My mom and dad are parents, and I knew the benefit of being spiritually mature, feed my spirit, feed my spirit, read the Bible. But I didn’t understand until I went through that experience that my soul mattered just as much as my spirit. And it kind of goes back to me my college days at Oral Roberts University. We always talked about the whole person and then when we talk, you’re always talking about that whole person that even in your practice, you’re not just treating the body, you’re also keeping in mind the mind and the spirit as well. So going through that experience, I had a lot of feelings. There was a lot of grieving going on and I didn’t know how to process those emotions. In fact, I would judge myself for having emotions because if I had those emotions it meant I wasn’t living in faith. And what I realized was that faith and feelings can coexist as long as I know where to put the feelings in their proper place.
And having both the spirit being mature and growing and nurturing and also nurturing my soul, I started seeing true transformation happen in my life. Whereas prior, yes, I would see change, but the two of those things working together, I really sort of wasn’t masking anymore and I was truly becoming a different person.
Wow, amazing. Amazing, powerful. I hope our audience is really catching all of this. What do you think, everyone’s story is going to be different, and unique, yes. But what do you think it was that made you not be okay with feeling your emotions or expressing your emotions?
Maybe I don’t know if I was taught or I just kind of picked up growing up that I have to push those emotions down to live in faith that God, they were bad. And I don’t think anyone told me your emotions are bad. I just sort of picked up from teaching that I need to speak the word of God and the word of God’s truth, and I need to push down and ignore my emotions and be a person of great faith. And a person of great faith doesn’t bow and give in to their emotions.
So if you’re angry, it’s not godly.
Exactly.
I mean obviously, there’s a balance in that, right? And we’re going to talk about that.
Why these emotions are there and there’s a balance to that. There’s a reason why you’re feeling it. And sometimes these behaviors that we acquire, like you said, no one verbally said it to you, but it’s implied through behavior and the interactions that people have. It’s you just pick it up. It’s a subtle way. And that subtle information that we pick up, that’s how we become programmed to think this is the way it is. But there’s never dialogue around that specific conversation of emotions. It just doesn’t happen.
It’s true. And it’s interesting because I believe that when I started getting really real about my emotions and not trying to hide them from God and not judging the emotions that come up and just say, okay, God, I am feeling X, y, z, I’m feeling jealous, I’m feeling sad, I’m feeling anxious, or whatever it is, and just leaned into it. Even if I was scared to lean into that pain or grief or whatever the feeling or emotion was, it’s when that mass came off and I was just dramatically just real about it, then that allowed God to really come to my rescue and help me. So we can look inside my heart to determine where is that coming from.
And so instead of judging the emotion, I started learning to be curious about it and asking about it like, God, why is this happening? I don’t want to feel like this. I don’t want this. This is not something great, but I’m trusting I need your help. How do I process this? How do I manage it in a way that I’m not masking it and trying to pretend to be a good Christian by pretending that that emotion is not there by stuffing it down? If I stuff down the emotion, then that means I’m a good Christian because I’m not feeling it. Instead of saying, you know what, Lord, I am feeling this. This is so real. Help me dig in my heart. Holy Spirit, help me to see, and bring me awareness through your word of what’s going on on the inside of me. And then that’s when he can help uproot that thing from your life.
Powerful. Powerful.
Yeah.
This is exactly what and what I love about what you’re saying is you’re really bringing in that relationship with God in our emotions.
Yes.
And I know I mentioned to you before, that if we do not allow ourselves to feel those emotions, how can you feel the presence of God in your life?
That’s right.
As you shut those emotions off from other people in the world, you’re going to shut them off completely.
That’s right.
And so it amazes me, and it doesn’t even matter whether you bring in religion or not or what religion. It’s everywhere. I’ve seen it across the board, men, women, different upbringings, the constant suppression of emotions. It’s like seeing as something unhealthy. We’re going to keep this conversation, but I want you to talk about soul prop. Oh, I forgot. See, I know this is why we just keep going and going, but I want you to touch on that so that we can’t continue to dive deeper into and lead that.
So what was happening was friends and family in my life, you have a relationship and they started talking about things that were going on, people losing, maybe it’s death, losing family members. Maybe it’s losing relationships like I had through divorce or friendships or losing the sense of grief around I thought my life was going to look a certain way and it doesn’t. I’m old and my life isn’t what I thought or wanted it to be. So all that brought these feelings of grief. And then what I started seeing was that people would get angry and frustrated, which is okay, that’s a process of grief. But what sometimes happened was they would get stuck in emotion. And when we judge something, we get stuck. And then when we feel like we’re justified in something, we get stuck. And I saw one of two things happen. Either people would move through the emotion and let themselves feel it and get really real about it and let it pass through them or they would hold onto it, feel justified in it, get stuck and become ugly on the inside. And when I was healing and going through counseling and coaching, I really had to fight to heal with a tender heart.
I didn’t want to be the type of person who said I was healed just because time passed. I wanted to heal and still have a soul, mind will and emotions that were open, that was compassionate, that wasn’t judgmental. And to have that, you have to be able to surrender that feeling.
That’s the word. And so I started realizing kind of going back through my own sort of testimony, how did we go through that process? Which by the way took a long time. This was not like, okay, I prayed and God touched me and I healed my heart. No, this was like God having to root things out of me using a situation where I allowed him in. And so one of the things I realized people would get stuck in, I feel justified I need justice. It’s not fair what I’m going through. So therefore I am going to hold onto my feelings and act in a way that’s not beneficial to me or the foundation of knowing who I am in faith or who I am as a person. And so we start trying to blame or whatever it might be. And I believe that in the word of God, the Bible says that God is the God of justice.
So having to let go of the justice that needs to happen to the other person or to God or whomever you might have those big feelings about was a process for me to surrender. So that is why I started Soul Prompt because I felt like there are people who really want to heal but aren’t sure how to get real with their feelings because they’re scared that if they do get real with their feelings, the feelings might overpower them and they may get lost in them forever and never recover. Or they feel like they’re living in doubt and they’re not being a good Christian by not being in faith because they’re feeling. And I just want to squash those lies. God gave us feelings. He’s asked us to be curious about it. We can even see this in Psalms, we can talk about that later. And when we do that, I think when we open ourselves up, like I said before and get really real, I saw God do something amazing in my heart and I am not the same person that I was before.
Amen. I love that. You mentioned a lot of great things in everything you said, but the key thing is two things that I want to extract from that is you have to come to a place where you’re willing to surrender.
Yep.
Because the bottom line is no human on this earth has figured out. So we have to be willing to surrender and feel those feelings and go through the second part, which is the process. Healing is a process. I don’t know why. We live in a culture where we want instant gratification. We want it now. We want it yesterday, a month ago I needed to go right away. And that’s not the way healing happens on any level unless it’s a miracle. That’s what a miracle is. It just happens. You didn’t have to do anything but have faith. And it happens. Not everyone gets a miracle. That’s an instant miracle.
It’s true.
But they get a miracle. That requires a process for you to go through the ugliness because the reality is that you’ve gone through your healing, which is another thing I want to extract from what you said is you did the work, you had to do the work before you went out there to help other people, to guide other people in their healing. If you don’t do it first, how can you lead someone to do it? And you can hear in your expression and how you articulate yourself, how you express yourself, even feeling the emotions coming through the excitement. You can tell that you have done your own healing. It’s messy.
It’s messy. It’s hard. It sure is hard, hard. There’s nobody, nobody’s back there applauding for you. No one is cheering you on.
You know what? It is literally a choice.
I told you this the other day when we talked about this. I said, there’s a lot of people that will post on social media their healing journey, and they’re crying and whatever they’re doing in the background, no way. Anyone who’s done true healing work, you do not want a camera.
Yeah.
Oh no. In your face. No. You are not willing to post it on Facebook or Instagram or none of that.
It’s true.
That’s the lot. You’re not even thinking of anyone outside of yourself. You are just in this cocoon trying to heal.
You just want to get rid of the pain. It’s icky and some of us to certain things to get rid of the pain. We can say all the vices, everybody knows the vices. But what the Lord is saying, come to me. Come to me. Come to me.
Not always an instant gratification, but come to me and it is like I’ll deepen your trust in your faith in me as you walk through this process. And the beauty of the process is you can sustain the victory that you receive, the healing that you receive, you can sustain it and it’s harder for something or someone to take it away from you.
Absolutely.
Because you walk this thing step by step, even if you’re crawling, even if you feel like someone’s dragging you, it’s harder for me. I will fight for the healing that I know that God has given me because I went through that process. It’s easier to give up something when you haven’t paid when there’s no cost.
Absolutely. Absolutely. I’m not willing to give up what I worked for getting through medical school and healing and starting a clinic, starting the podcast. I am not going to give it up. I worked hard for this and I know that there’s a purpose and intention for this. It’s beyond me. Now when you heal that healing, you want to share it with the world.
And that’s the beauty of healing through your own hurt and trauma and so forth, is that it just opens up a whole different world. And I see it with my patients all the time. They heal physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually, and they go through the transformation and now they have this divine connection that they’re like they’re making a career change or they’re doing something new that they never saw themselves doing because they want to pay it forward. And I believe that’s why the enemy consistently attacks us on emotions and from different perspectives. So let’s talk about why we have a culture. And it doesn’t matter what race, your background, so many people raise children to not feel their own emotions. I really believe that’s where most of the problem starts. I mentioned this to you the other day in Hispanic families and other cultures too. Now as adults, we joke around when we were kids and if a child cried, the parent would, if it was like you’re crying for nothing, just something petty. And the parent would say, stop crying. I’ll give you a reason to cry. And we laugh about it. Now, I
Might’ve said that, Dr. Adam. I know I might’ve said that before.
And the problem with that is that it’s sending a message to the child that it’s not okay to feel. And we’re not all parents, but some parents might not even be taking the time to understand why their child crying. What’s going on? Because there’s one of two things that could happen. Yes, they really are crying for no reason. But we need to be able to speak to that child and say, honey, it’s okay to feel emotions. It’s okay to cry sometimes. You’re going to want to cry for these reasons, and that’s okay, but we can’t cry because it’s time to go to bed. Why are you crying? You still want to stay up and have fun. I understand that, but we got to go to sleep.
What you’re saying is instead of saying don’t have the emotion, what you’re saying is let’s teach our children how to lead and steward the emotion. So how do I lead myself when I’m having a big emotional reaction? Right? Because feelings matter, but they’re not reliable. They matter. They’re important.
They can be tricky, but they’re not reliable.
They can take you down a dark alley.
Yes, they can. So instead of saying, don’t, let’s manage them, let’s, let me teach you then how to steward them and teach children how to regulate their emotions. Now we’re talking about a conscious parent, conscious parenting. The parent has to know this in order to teach it. So that means that the parent hasn’t done their own healing, dealing with their own emotions, learning how to self-regulate themselves emotionally, maybe dealing with their own trauma. You cannot teach it to your child if you don’t know it. If you haven’t done it, it’s if you’re not doing it.
It’s true because healing is always ongoing. This is like, I’m healed and yay, I’m done. That’s the other thing our audience should know. Our audience should know that in the process of healing, there’s not a hard cut-off day end day as you heal on this day and that’s it. It’s an ongoing process. But the beauty of it is, that what I have found is that the more you endure and go through the process, you look forward to it because you know what happens at the end of that journey, and you become better. You become clear. There’s more peace in you when you do feel that emotion. Now you can go into your mind and say, Hey, mind, where’s this emotion coming from? Hey God, where’s this emotion? Why am I feeling like this in this situation? Maybe take some deep breaths, maybe step away for a little bit. But you start going in inner to identify, is this me, or is this something I’m picking up from my environment?
I always talk about this example. I am a yeller of recovering yeller, I’ll say. And when I was going through my divorce, I yelled more because my emotions were everywhere, up and down every day. Grieving, sad, mad, didn’t matter, nothing could soothe. I’d spend time with Jesus and I’d had to increase my time and my relationship and my prayer time. I just was all over the place and I was taking it out on my kids. And there was no one else in the home to hold me accountable. There’s nobody to say stop it except for the Holy Spirit. And literally, I remember yelling at one of ’em, I don’t remember. And the Holy Spirit spoke to me and said, you’re crushing his spirit.
I mean, my heart tears weld in my eyes and I said, Lord, I need your help. Instead of me being like, okay, well I’m just going to confess. I’m going to name it and claim it. I’m going to give I am statements. I’m going to speak the word, which none of those things are wrong. Those are amazing tools. But before we do any of that, we have to say, Lord, forgive me. Help me in this moment. And I invited my kids on the process. I apologized to them and I said, I should not be yelling at you this much. And I know that it’s wrong. And the Lord’s sort of speaking to me about it. So I am asking for your grace. As I walk this process, I know it’s going to be a process my go-to, it’s what I do. And we all have different things that we cope with, we go to, that’s what we do.
And so I would catch myself in the act, I’d yell at them about something that maybe they even deserved, but there was this extra oomph to it because of my own anxiety or the emotions I was feeling on the inside. And I would stop in the middle. I would count to 10 and I would be like, I just do it. And they would just be staring at me like You’re crazy in the middle. But then, in that process, of doing those things, I started changing the way that I showed up for my kids. And so now I don’t yell. You could ask either of them. I feel very confident. But that took a year of practicing. That took a year of me leaning into it and being intentional. And what I’m saying is through that process, I don’t yell as much. And now I catch myself having that awareness much quicker than I did on day one. So the process matters is the point that I’m
Absolutely. From your perspective and experience, what have you seen in people when they don’t take the time to heal and feel, heal and feel?
I like that. It makes me sad because I know that emotions can be so big. They can be so loud and can feel overwhelming that like you said prior, people want that instant healing. And if it’s not happening fast enough and God’s not working fast enough, they’re just, okay, I’ll take matters into my own hands. But what ends up happening is they have to eventually reroute back to the starting point where they were before because they’re not dealing with what’s going on on the inside of them. And so I feel like they preempt what they’re really looking for and praying for. And I think it extends the process of healing because you’re not willing. I remember I was sitting in my room and I was fasting, I was praying. I had people praying for my marriage, all the things I was doing, all the things to try to get God to move and change my situation. I wanted a rescue and I wanted a rescue quick.
And it had been like I don’t know how many months. And I remember the Lord saying to me, relax, buckle up, and let me take you through this process. In other words, it was like, you can fast every single day this week. This is not going to go any further or faster because there are things I’m trying to do inside of you. I’m trying to use this moment to do something amazing what I have for you, my gifts that I have for you. I’m trying to give them to you and put them inside of you, but you have to relax and stop doing and just be with me and walk with me through the process. Dr. Anna, that wasn’t the most fun thing to hear in the moment at all. But it was the best thing. And did I get impatient along the way? Heck yeah. But I had to go back and remember, okay, it’s okay. I can’t manipulate God to do something faster. That was my motive. So yes, fasting is good. Prayer is good, but my motive was if I did these things, then God would move faster and rescue me from this situation. It was as if it was to do things on your checklistlist. Yes, I need him. I need to show myself approved to God so he can move on my behalf. I’m looking for that miracle you were talking
About. Here’s the thing as uncomfortable as it is, well, God, there’s just so many things you said. I just want to dissect it all. So there’s a lot. There’s to say that there’s a huge importance when people slow down. I always tell my patients, you cannot heal if you don’t slow down. I’m not saying to stop completely, but you have to slow down. You’re going 200 miles an hour. Your body does not want that. Our nervous system wants balance.
So the physical structures of the body, the brain, and the nervous system wants to be in a parasympathetic state. It wants to be relaxed. Even God will tell us, slow down, be still and know that I am God. I am God. That’s good. If you are not still and genuine in the moment, not just like, okay, there’s a checklist. I did my prayer and my meditation. I’m checking things off. You’re not doing it from the heart. It’s true. You got to feel. You have to feel that desire to do that. And these emotions are a huge driving force. It’s part of us. Yo, they’re not going anywhere. We’re born with emotion. That’s right. And we even die with emotions. We will never be able to get rid of them. And what’s the first thing that psychiatrists and counselors do when they get a patient with anxiety or PTSD? They medicate them and what are they going to do? Suppress it. We’re going to further suppress what your body has already been flagging you and telling you there’s something wrong. So we need to teach people. When you feel these things in your body, it’s giving you a sign. Yes. And don’t judge it. And don’t judge it. Not judge it.
Yes.
If I start to feel a little anxious or nervous, my body is saying, my nervous system is saying, we don’t feel safe here. Something’s off. Maybe I didn’t eat. That could be it. Yes,
Yes.
Maybe I need to eat and my glucose is too low, so I’m feeling jittery. It might be that simple, very true. But unfortunately, it’s sometimes a lot more than that when there’s a history of suppressing emotion, suppressing trauma, not wanting to look back, and not wanting to heal through that because you already passed that situation. You feel like you’re done and over with. Why is that thing from 30 years, 40 years ago, bothering me now it can’t be. And it is because you never faced the emotions. You were feelings. And granted, when we’re children, it’s a very vulnerable time. We don’t have a lot of power and authority and say the right decision-making power is not there most of the time. But when we become adults, we have the power and authority. And so I tell people, you become an adult when you take responsibility of yourself physically and mentally, emotionally and spiritually. That’s maturity.
When you say, that whatever happened to me in the past is no longer going to have power over me now and in the future, and I want to heal through that. And so everyone reaches that maturity at a different age. It’s not 18.
It’s true.
It’s not. I am 45. I’ve done a lot of work in the last 15, 20 years. I’m still in the process of maturing.
Me too. Me too.
And one of the things that I’m sure you can agree on is that if anything, going through this journey of healing that deep is that you really humble yourself. You slow down and you humble yourself. And you’re okay with not being okay.
It’s true. It’s true.
And then you’re gentle with yourself and all the grace and compassion you give to others, you learn to give it to the little you.
It’s really good. Yes.
I always say heal that inner child in you, heal the little Jacinda in you. I had to heal little Anna in me and give her permission to feel when I was a little girl, I realized I was full of emotions. I felt everything, and I couldn’t necessarily express it all. So I grew up in a culture, obviously in a home where, yeah, I was loving and kind, but it was like be tough. And so I always grew with this mindset that I am emotionally weak. Someone will say something, it’ll hurt my feelings. Or if I go into a place and I feel like everyone’s so abrasive, I feel hurt. And so I remember as a child in grade school thinking the world was so mean. And I would ask God, God, why are people so mean? I felt like I didn’t belong here. But as I grew older, I learned, that I adapted to the harsh environment of the community I grew up in. Obviously, you grew up around gang members and violence and crime, and tough people who teach you to toughen up. And it’s not a bad thing to survive.
I learned later on Jacinda that God needed to strengthen me mentally and emotionally so that I could not just survive that environment but deal with the heart situations later on as an adult.
That’s right. That’s so good. It toughened me up, but it closed off my heart. So through so many situations, I closed off my heart and did not feel I suppressed my emotions. And I did a great job, a plus plus. I was a badie. No one was going to mess with me. But that wasn’t good for me because that wasn’t the original design that God made me to be. That wasn’t me.
It’s not. And what’s interesting is that I thought because I was honest, I was vulnerable. But I found out through my friendships and good people in my life that I had walls all the way up all around. And they said to me, it took forever to get through your walls. I’m like, no, I’m walls. I’m like, I’m so honest. And I realized when we cut that part of us, we cut out. The very gift that God has given us is given us.
Absolutely.
With him and with each other.
Absolutely.
And when we’re strong spiritually, and we could be spiritual giants, that’s amazing. But we also have to be strong mentally, emotionally, and physically because the enemy wants to keep us from each other and have a connection. So I could be a spiritual giant, but get offended really quick or be easy to get to anger or whatever it may be. And the Lord’s saying, I feel like even in these times, yes, be spiritually mature, but your resilience in your soul and your mind and your emotions need to be just as strong because the enemy is looking for any way to get to our heart. Absolutely. He wants to get to our heart. And how does the enemy get in through our senses, through our emotions? And the heart is in the middle of us, and we have to protect our heart at all costs. So it matters that our soul is strong and that we have the armor of God on not just for our spiritual strength, but for our mental strength, for our emotional strength. It’s just as important. I am passionate about that because it’s like I don’t want to be spiritually strong, but emotionally weak.
That is a door for the enemy. And I also think on the flip side of that is we had walls, but there are other people who feel so much and give in and sort of live according to all of those feelings, that they don’t allow the word of God, God’s character and his nature to be the king of their heart instead their emotion.
And I think that was for me, that was the reason why I had to strengthen myself emotionally as a child because I did feel everything. I am a feeler now. And because I’ve gone through the process of healing and understanding what he was doing in my life, I realized that’s what makes me a good doctor. That’s what helps me to be compassionate, to go into a space and feel what that person is feeling. And it’s not me.
I saw that this was a gift that I needed to learn to steward well, to learn how to manage it so that I wasn’t letting my feelings and emotions just run wild. Had I now gone through those experiences, I would have been that I would’ve let my emotions run wild. So I explained this analogy to my patients. I feel like when we give people a visual, it’s easier for them understand to understand. So as we get ready to wrap up here, I want to share this. And then this is going to be part one of two. We’re going to continue this conversation into the next episode, but I want to end with this analogy of how I depict the body and the soul, the mind, the emotions, all of that. So I tell people that imagine you have three horses, and each horse represents the physical body. The other represents the mind, and the other represents emotions.
Now, the soul is sitting on this chariot in control of these three. But what controls the soul is the spirit of God. Come on. So God is controlling the soul that’s on here and that’s balance. Now, when the physical body is, if the soul is not in control of the reins of these horses and say the physical body is running wild, that’s addiction. That’s everything fleshy of the world. It’s going to want to run. The physical body wants to run, that horse wants to take off, and it’s going to pull you in that direction if you give it the power if you let it lead.
That’s right.
Same thing with the mind. The mind. You can start thinking about something, then it gets the emotions involved, and then it starts becoming into an action. But the emotions are the same thing. If we feel something and now we allow our mind to fester on that emotion and then let our bodies consume that feeling, it’s going to start running wild. And unfortunately, we live in a world where the physical body, the mind and the emotions, are running the show.
It’s true.
The soul is not in control of this and definitely not the spirit. And this amazing pastor, once I heard him talk and he shared, he was talking about this and he said, the spirit is untouchable. The spirit is one thing that no one can hurt because that belongs to God. They can hurt you physically. People can hurt you mentally and emotionally, but they cannot touch the spirit because that comes from God. And so with that, we’re going to wrap this part up and we’re going to continue this conversation. We want to talk to you about how do you start leaning into your emotions and allowing yourself, what’s the balance. How to get help, right? Sometimes you do need someone who will lead you and can understand this in a holistic perspective and in the spiritual perspective to lead you to start feeling your emotions, to navigate through that sea of emotions.
How do you utilize your emotions to help guide you in your life instead of suppressing them? And when you suppress emotions, they will end up being physical manifestations of illness in your body. And we’re going to talk about that in the next episode. So you do not want to miss the next episode of this series. Until then, be blessed. Thank you for listening to Physician Heal Thyself, the podcast. If you like what you’ve heard, please like, share and subscribe, help this message, and reach more people who may need to hear it. Leave your comments. I want to know what you think. If you’re interested in learning more about Raices, visit our website. Until next time, be blessed.